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→Ring-Zero: Scaling Zero RL to a Trillion Parameters for Emergent Reasoning
This paper pushes Zero RL—RL with verifiable rewards and no human labels—to 1 trillion parameters. Naive scaling makes reasoning traces bloated and hard to read, so the team adds clipped importance sampling, training-inference ratio correction, and mixed-precision control to stabilize training. Three findings: 1T parameters sharply improve sample efficiency and performance ceilings; training moves from a discovery phase to a sharpening phase; the model spontaneously develops anthropomorphism, self-verification, parallel reasoning, structured formatting, and even 'context anxiety,' making hand-crafted heuristics unnecessary. Ring-2.5-1T-Zero is competitive on seven math benchmarks. They also propose a three-dimensional CoT quality framework—comprehensibility, reproducibility, efficiency—where their model shows clear advantages in structured, concise traces. The post does not disclose specific benchmark scores, training cost, or open-source plans.
#Reasoning#Xinyu Tang#Gangqiang Cao#Yurou Liu
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Scaling Zero RL to 1T parameters, the model spontaneously develops self-verification and parallel reasoning—but no benchmark scores or training cost are disclosed.
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This one's worth a click because it takes Zero RL—training reasoning with verifiable rewards and zero human labels—to 1 trillion parameters for the first time. Most prior work stayed on small models because naive scaling makes reasoning traces bloated and messy. The team added clipped importance sampling, training-inference ratio correction, and mixed-precision control to keep things stable, then watched what happened. The model spontaneously picked up self-verification, parallel reasoning, structured formatting, and even 'context anxiety'—basically worrying it might be wrong.
I'd discount this a bit. The paper says the model is 'competitive' on seven math benchmarks but doesn't give actual scores. No training cost, no word on whether they'll open-source it. Right now it reads more like a scaling observation report than something you can benchmark against. If you're doing large-scale RL training, the stabilization tricks are worth a look. If you just want numbers, the key ones aren't here yet.
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